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0:57 What is up while I get us? Welcome back to another episode of the Oil and Gas Starters Podcasts. I've got Jay and I've got Gord. Jay's in from Austin, Gord's in from Alberta. What's going on,

1:07 guys?

1:09 Doing good, man. Doing good. I don't even know what today is. Today, Wednesday, I think it's a day. Yeah, happy, happy Wednesday. All the day is just kind of blending out of these days.

1:19 So high-level overview.

1:23 Jay, if you want to go ahead and start, what does that you do, and then how you guys got plugged in with Gordon, if you want to come here over what you guys do, and then this kind of

1:31 collaborative effort that you guys have before. So that's H-Controls. I'm the president of S-H-Controls. I'm the S in S-H-J staying. And we're a distributor, manufacturer for valves, process

1:41 analyzers, instrumentation, optimization, and automation solutions. All specific to valves? Well, no, just across the industry. So we supply process analyzers that do your dimethyl frog, frog,

1:53 and peanut butter background for the chemical plant. And then in midstream, I can set you up with a valve package for your 36 inch pipeline. In upstream, I can give you an emergency shutdown well,

2:03 valve solution that'll pop at 5, 000 inch pounds of torque. So I traverse across all three segments on

2:11 the common rails of optimization and automation. So Gord is on the upstream side with VSH focusing on optimization and automation. And the solution at very high level is a production optimization

2:22 solution that will increase your production on your wheelhead by 20 minimum. And so that had my optimization automation alarm bells written. So we've had a lot of conversations, a lot of videos, a

2:36 lot of team calls and looking at the data as well as this is something that needs to get wider exposure. And then Gord comes in as the inventor on the technical side and tells you exactly how you

2:48 achieve that 20 optimization increase. I'm not an upstream expert, but I know that everybody in upstream wants to optimize production and make more money. So here we are. That's the name of the

3:00 game. So you're a manufacturer, a distributor. Sometimes I'm both. But above all, we're a sales organization. And so we are representing and working with Gord and helping him get some traction

3:14 down here in Texas and in the United States. So tell me a

3:17 little bit more about this. I'm guessing it's a device of some sort It's a product for pumping oil wells. Okay. That's what it is. Yeah. So we run hydraulics on a pumping oil well, running

3:30 natural gas engine instead of electricity. And so we can gain the exact same production increase as you would with an electric driver with a pump off controller. So our system works on

3:40 non-electrified wells. So is it an entirely different kind of pump or is this something you can add on regardless of the lift? Add on regardless. Yeah, we're just using the natural gas driver

3:48 that's running these jacks right now and we tie onto that with our hydraulics but the the pump jack stays the same. So what actually is it? It is a hydraulic driven variable speed drive. Okay. So

3:60 we hook a hydraulic pump to the natural gas engine, which then is tied to the pump jack with a transmission, per se, a jack shaft, running belts still. And so then we can speed up and slow that.

4:13 It's traditionally a small little electric motor. That's right. It's taking a small little electric motor that's running the belts. Sure, that's right. Let's make them the whole thing go up and

4:18 down and you're replacing with a hydraulic version Right, run by natural gas engine. What, okay. Because where we're at, there is no electricity. That's the beauty there. Gotcha. Yeah. But

4:30 what you found was that it actually increased production. Right, yes. So we've got the unit running and optimizing it with a pump off controller as we all do. And now we've attached a casing gas

4:42 compressor to it as well, running off of our hydraulics too. So now we're pulling that casing pressure down in the well board, thus then allowing more inflow of oil fluid. And that's where we're

4:52 gaining. Yeah, just by utilizing that. And it's really a fine-tuning solution, not a course driving the whole thing, but it's a fine-tuning solution where you have the sensor on the rod string

5:02 itself. That's right. That's feeding the pump-off controller and that's sensing the rod string pressure, right? Correct. And that's where the optimization piece comes in because it's an advanced

5:11 process control solution as well. And so it's reading the signals it's getting through the pump-off controller and the load sensor. And it is optimizing operation by reading those signals and then

5:22 smoothing out the operation. So that's where the production increase comes from. Speeding an upper slowing it down. So is there any actual, just isolating, not looking at the fact that you're

5:32 pulling out

5:34 the gas but looking at just the hydraulic functional or electric, are there any benefits of using hydraulic? I'll say the fact that if there's no electricity. Yeah, that's the main. Okay. That's

5:43 the main benefit. But it pretty much operates exactly the same. But a lot of the benefits come from the fact that you're pulling out the case again.

5:50 Yeah, because there's a ton of wells out there that electricity is not available and it's just not not feasible to run power That's so you guys mostly running out in Alberta right now. Yeah,

5:59 Alberta And I know there's a few running in dilly taxes as well. Okay, that's on there. So yeah, but yes What are the what are the requirements to deploy something like this? Well Nothing really

6:11 the only thing is the main benefit is if there is no power you can then set up your pumping unit Exact same as you would with electricity and run your pump-off controller and your casing gas

6:22 compressor everything So it's all fully automated just like it would be on electric, but you don't need that That's the that's the great thing how much gas you need to run it very small. Okay, 20

6:33 ounces Oh, like just enough to run the engine. So do you're loading your electricity bill, too? If you haven't what if yeah, exactly and today to with the grid all over North America, you know,

6:44 it's getting overloaded too, right? So I think it's gonna be we're almost going back to this natural gas side of stuff, to use that, utilize that and help our grid. Hey, you think you could

6:55 throw in a couple of mining rigs on there too?

6:60 Possibly. So I'm guessing you guys, you know, I see hydraulics in the name of, do you guys start off as just like a hydraulic shop? And then somebody came to you with this issue, you guys

7:08 created that and said, Hey, let's make a product out of it. Well, yeah, actually, I have a partner Everett Harsted, who's a farmer by trade actually, and I approached him about a little

7:17 different thing I wanted to get a belt guard built actually for pumping walls, but we got onto hydraulics, so we made it run on hydraulics. And then I realized, well, geez, we've actually now

7:27 made a variable speed drive system without electricity. So there was so much more implication to it. It started out not even close to that, really, but then it's now just evolved. So that's how I

7:38 come about. And I've been in the industry my whole life, 30 years, oil and gas operating side of stuff pumping. And so I could see that there is a need for this as there's a. like I said, a ton

7:51 of pumping oil wells out there that don't have electricity and could be optimized. And a lot of those wells are at the end of your, your gathering system where the pressure is highest. So you're

8:01 holding back all that gas. So if you attach a compressor with it, plus the pump off controller, now you've just fully optimized it well. So talk to me about some of the numbers that you guys are

8:12 seeing in terms of. Well, yeah, like Jay had said, we were doing a test pilot for a white cab, resources there in Alberta. And yeah, when we hooked up with a pump off controller, plus the case

8:25 and gas compressor, our numbers did get increased by 20 on both the oil and gas production. So they were encouraging for sure, yes. And I think most people in the industry already know about case

8:38 and gas and pressure. And if you relieve that how much more fluid you're gonna produce. So that's a great thing about us too. We're not doing anything new. It's just a different way to do it all

8:50 your wells, not just the specific ones on electricity. Do you know much about the other methods of relieving the casing, yes? Other methods? Yeah. Well, really, like with this, you would pump

9:02 it back into the pipeline so it stays contained in its cellable gas. Other ways is to vent it or flare it or burn it, right? And that's the associated gas. Right. To call the Bakken Christmas to

9:13 the birthday cake, right? 'Cause all these, there's no takeaway capacity. Yeah. Yeah

9:20 If there's any other devices that were out there that were utilizing the gas in the same way. There's a lot of different type of compressors that all do the same thing, but it's either that compress

9:29 it, get it in the pipe and keep moving it or flare it. But that's where the Bitcoin mining rig thing came from, right? You have all this excess gas you can't use, so you might as well put a

9:38 natural gas engine out there and make electricity and then look a mining rig to it. Yup, yup, 100. It

9:45 just makes too much sense Yeah, so if there's any sort of like wasted or stranded energy

9:50 It makes too much sense, that'll never work. Yeah, it's, there's so many EPs that are doing it now, whether they want to talk about it or not. What also applies to the renewable side too.

10:02 Massive solar wind farms, doesn't matter what it is, but transmission lines is what takes a long time to get built. It could be a couple of years. If you dump hundreds of millions of dollars into

10:12 this farm and then what do you do? You're just stuck kind of holding the bag until you get transmission lines out there Well, you can monetize that with Bitcoin mining. Yeah. I drove right through

10:22 the scene of Fallout 4 New Vegas. Last week, when I was driving up 15 past prim, there's giant solar things where the mirrors are reflecting the sunlight into that ball in the central, then it

10:34 heats up steam or molten salt or something. Really? But how do you get the power out? Whatever crazy, awesome solution you have for generating electricity, now how do you transmit it from the

10:45 site to where the people that need it are? Yeah.

10:49 Um, so you guys are working together and so is it, is it mainly just to be bringing this to kind of a wider market here in the States on the upstream side? That's right. Because if you think about

10:59 how many people this could help, how much time do you have in the day to go out and reach the people, talk to them about it. And what we really want to do is catch somebody's attention to this

11:09 podcast, bring it to the wider market, and then someone say, Hey, I can really use one of those and then let's set up a demo. Let's get one of these systems out there, put it on your, your pump

11:18 check and then, you know, see what kind of numbers it's getting, see what the ROI is and go from there. And if it's something that is really going to affect your operations and make your

11:27 operations better, then it's probably something you want to know about. And this is one of the best ways in, you know, 2023 to get that word out to as many people as possible. So it's really the

11:37 goal and, you know, for digital wildcatters, having, you know, people like gourd show up and putting new solutions on the market, you know, it's a win-win for everybody involved. Yeah being

11:47 with Jay. Yeah, that's what we needed as. as VSH, we're not salesmen or marketers, but these guys, that's their world. So yeah, it's a good fit for sure. I love it. I think it's sometimes

11:58 it's the most simple things. Right. It can't just tell the look. Yeah, it's like, oh, it's interesting. I see a lot of crazy stuff. Sometimes you give people come in and it's crazy over the

12:04 top stuff and you're like, I would have never thought of that, but it's brilliant. Other times it's like everybody was talking about the same problem, just nobody ever like solved it. Right. And

12:04 it's things that are just like right under your, run a new your nose, but that you can build and just smell like the best businesses. Yeah, and in today's world, what I see in the industry, most

12:04 producers go to a pump-off controller immediately to try and optimize their well, which they're leaving out, you know what, ton of their producing wells because there's no power. And that's the

12:04 only way right now to run a pump-off controller and get that efficiency, save you all your downtime and everything on your rod string and all that, what a controller does. Well, now with this,

12:05 with our system, you

12:45 can now do your whole fleet to the well.

12:49 not just specific ones. So yeah, it opens up a whole nother world. Taking existing components off the shelf, putting them together and new and better in a more exciting ways. Nothing that he's

13:01 doing is unknown to anybody in the industry, but it's that right combination of all the different components to the system. And then in the future, what are the, what are some of the data you can

13:11 get out of the system? You're optimizing your data. I'm sure somebody in the production world will want to see information coming in from this solution. And then they will be able to do like level

13:24 one, two, three, predictive, whatever, with more information coming in. And then they'd be able to see some pattern that we aren't seeing even with the

13:32 VSH rig because we're not at a high enough level. So just giving people more opportunities to see patterns and exploit them or take advantage of them is. Something to me is exciting because what can

13:44 you do with data? The oil and gas industry is big data.

13:49 Data does oil and gas generate every second every day. Too much. Too much. What do you do with it? You have all this - Usually nothing. This is a gold mine flowing by you. And you have no way of

13:59 really harnessing the power of that information and then leveraging it to make better decisions and

14:06 all that stuff that you hear about all the time. Are there any challenges associated with the hydraulics? Nothing really - Do you really have any - The ordinary maintenance perspective? No.

14:17 Everything's pretty basic that way The only thing I would say is you'd want to have to really engineer our cooling side of stuff down here in Texas, right? Compared to the Canadian side of stuff

14:27 there, what's more of the coal and we got to monitor that. Is it just overheat or does the fluid get too hot? Yeah, it would get too hot. You have to use a high grade hydraulic oil and just know

14:39 your parameters, know where you're setting. Something on the reliability that I've really picked up from TalkMeGord is if you're looking at the course versus the fine tuning. If you use the

14:49 hydraulics for the course tuning, then you're working the hydraulics system pretty hard, and it can have failures that way. But if you're doing it with the fine tuning, you're not brute forcing

15:01 the whole operation with this hydraulic setup, you're fine tuning the operation of the rig and the rod string. So releasing the, leaving some of the pressure, the tension of the rod string,

15:11 increasing the lifespan of that. But also the hydraulics system as a whole works for longer before need service because it's not, it's not shouldering the whole load. It's just the fine tuning to

15:20 get that last 10, 20 of optimization out of the system. Yeah, we had all sorts of issues with our little electric motors on our wells back in the day. Right. Always wiring issues. Yeah, I mean,

15:33 there's, I think an important point to bring up is that you're not buying a replacement for the whole pump jack motor. You're buying a fine tuning equipment that optimizes, right? And I think

15:41 that's a key word is optimization. Yeah that we had were actually my prime candidates for one. you know, especially being a struggle operation, that you want to lower your highest LO user is, or

15:54 once water, two, it's going to be electricity, right? So lowering that, we had all these issues with the electric motors all the time, right? And then we had a little bit of gas that could have

16:03 powered it that we weren't doing anything with. Yeah. So just waste gas. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. Yeah, that's a big market. Yeah, there's a huge potential for it, definitely. Yeah.

16:15 Definitely. And I don't think every well needs it, obviously, but every producer has at least a few wells where this will work. So I'm assuming you guys just sell these things out right, right?

16:26 Yeah, we do a rental too, if that's what you're into, or whatever, you know. Yeah, we're flexible that way, but yes, that's our goal. Another thing too good with it is it gives you telemetry

16:37 too, so the guys wherever in your office tower can see what the well's doing too, you don't always have to go right to site or rely on your guys in the field, right? You can see it wherever. some

16:48 of that commercial flexibilities where SH control steps into as well, if you want to rent them, then we can keep 10 or 20 of them in our yard locally sourced so you can deploy it as needed. And

16:60 then we can go into a lease situation or a hardware equipment lease, whatever you want to call it. So we can have that flexibility as well. For people who don't want to spend the CapEx, it's

17:12 better to fit in the OPEX budget than we can keep the equipment locally and then we can get it out on site, install it, support it, commissioning all that stuff. So another layer of flexibility to

17:25 meet people's needs, not everybody is one of the five big boys. Yeah. So that opens the door for smaller companies to be able to take advantage of the technology as well. And starting out too,

17:36 I've seen where a lot of companies will lease up front to get a feel for it and see it and understand it and then purchase it out right from there too So it gives them a starting point for sure. What

17:46 do y'all, it's kind of like a media goals, together.

17:50 I mean, obviously, get into as many customers as possible. And the first one is just get the first couple of, let's say, early adopters. You can get some runtime inside the organization, get

17:60 the engineers and everybody who needs to know, see the equipment work, get them exposure to it so they can see, so it's not just us saying it, right? So they can come back and say, Yeah, that's

18:11 for real. We had 20 or more increase in production using this solution because, you know, I can say, I can talk all day long. I do that for a living. But the customers and the end users really

18:23 need to come back and say, Yeah, this is legit. We put it in there, it worked, and we love it. So that's what we're really after is looking for that first one or two early adopters to listen to

18:35 the podcast and say, How do I get in touch with SH controls? And then let's go from there and then we can get VSH Evolved, get a system on site, you know, wherever you think is the best location,

18:46 you know, as you're well. put it on site and then go from there. Yeah, work together with the producer and pick a good candidate. Yeah, sure what it can do. Do you think that this is a start of

18:58 like, you know, you guys possibly creating, I'm assuming you guys, do you do other things outside of this with the hydraulic company, right? What other stuff do you guys do? And then I'll go

19:07 back to my question. Well, yeah, for VSH, it's only this. That's all we do. Okay, okay. Like I have my full-time job as well on the side as a bumper operator Okay, but yeah, for VSH, this

19:17 is our job. We've designed it, got a patent, both in Canada and here in the US, and this is what we do. How long did that process take? I'm kind of curious. Well, it's been an idea to. Yeah,

19:29 since 2013, I guess, 2012? Yeah, we started, so. Oh, shit. It's been a while to get it. Yeah, it's been like, yeah. My entire world. It's been a career to get it. Decades. That's right,

19:40 it takes time. Yeah, takes time. What was the biggest challenge? Was it getting patented or was it just. Refining the design time and time again. Yeah, both. I would say really the patent does

19:51 take a long time because it you have to come up against different A lot of different things, but yeah, I would say it's both refining it now is where we're at and we've we're doing that and Every

20:03 year it gets a little better a little better right with stuff. So but yeah, the patent takes time to we got our US one first and then started working on the Canadian one second. So Yeah, but it

20:15 takes time cuz my feedback would also be really yeah, a big player there because someone's gonna see something that we don't see Right some feedback from an end user and say hey, what about this and?

20:27 Hey, that's a great idea. Let's implement it Yeah, I was gonna ask like if you if you've already had kind of have in mind either like an exversion or like other products That you've kind of gotten

20:35 feedback on so far to go to broaden Yeah, just like to open open up to like a suite of products or if you guys stay laser focused on the one for now Yeah, I think the one for now. I mean we've

20:46 we've talked about and looked at doing multiple welds on a pad drill type thing, 'cause that's a big thing now. So we are looking at that. If that's something customer, producer would want. I

20:58 know some guys get a little leery of one driver powering three or four jacks at the same time, 'cause if you lose that one driver, then you're kind of buggered with all of them, but I know some

21:09 guys like that too. So we're looking at that, doing one driver supplying three or four jacks. How would that work in terms of how it's actually? Yeah, just bigger engine, more horsepower

21:22 obviously, and then just big hydraulic pump with controls, going to each jack independently. So you have one gigantic hydraulic pump, and then you're just running long,

21:36 like a manifold, right? Yeah, like a manifold, that's right. Up to each jack. Do you have to run the actual, why is the word escaping me? The belts. The belts, yeah.

21:46 right into the right each each unit will have its own motor hydraulic motor. Okay. Yes. And then the oil flow from the hydraulics will be regulated independently. Gotcha. There's a pump off

21:57 controller and a load sensor on each rod string as well. That's right. Gotcha. Gotcha. Gotcha. I'll be working independently. Yes. Awesome. Guys. Yeah. I think one thing that that I would

22:07 want to see is jumping into offshore. You know, once we get the onshore land version squared away and in wide usage, then there's a whole other world called offshore and offshore technology

22:18 conference. And all the different shows that are dedicated to all the offshore technologies. So there are a lot of a lot of opportunity there as well. PCP pumps too. That's a cavity, right?

22:32 Those looking at some of that stuff too, starting to get into that a bit. So because one great thing with the hydraulics, either if it's a conventional jack or whatever, you know, if the rods

22:43 hang up something, there's nothing really there to stop it. It'll just keep going and burn the belts off or destroy some equipment where, but the hydraulics, you have a set point there where if it

22:52 goes over normal operating pressure, it just sits there and bypasses. So nothing is destroyed. So that's another great feature of it too. So yeah, there's always lots of different little things

23:06 for sure. I got a lot of opportunities from people just asking me, can you do this? Is there someone that does this? Can you find a solution? So the more customers we talk to you, the more

23:15 questions we'll get. Can you do this? Can you do that? This is a great solution here, but I have a need for something else over here. And I'm personally building our upstream portfolio of

23:26 products, working with Gord, so for this production optimization, but then emergency shut down valve solutions. That's the second product. And then some instrumentation, of course, goes in

23:37 upstream, but looking where we can add value to upstream by bringing, you know, more new products We either bump into you randomly, or people ask me to go find. So it just goes both ways. Yeah,

23:49 that's one of the things, we talked about it repeatedly over the last five years in the show, but just the number one thing I think in, in order to be successful is to get the feedback from the

24:00 customers and to listen, and listen to twice as much as you talk, right? And so to put it in their hands and what do you like? What do you not like? How can this be better? Whereas the inverse

24:10 of that is you have some people who fall in love with attacker, widget, or software, whatever, and they don't listen. They're just like, Look at my baby, my baby's pretty. Check my baby, it's

24:20 awesome. And it's like, well, no one's ever gonna buy your baby or subscribe to your baby if it's not actually solving any sort of problem with it. And that's such a fundamental value proposition.

24:32 Yeah, like basic thing, but I've seen it repeatedly with entrepreneurs, not just in this space, but just universally, or they seem to miss that concept That's why you have the classic on -

24:43 entrepreneurial team, right? You have to keep, you have to have the technical and the business sides to balance each other out, keep the ship moving in the right direction. And you can make a

24:54 list of companies that have failed because they were missing either one or the other of the equation. I don't know, I don't have a college degree or anything. I'm not a chemical engineer, a

25:04 petroleum engineer. You know, people ask me, what kind of engineer are you? I'm not, you know, not any. I was a microwave radio technician in the Marines. And then 2005, I got out. What was

25:14 your voice? 2831. Before that, I was in 1941. 2846, then

25:20 41. All right. I got converted to a 41. So yeah, I fixed the on the radio. I was a SHF guy, you know, with that signal and all that and all the dirty pranks in the shop. Well, you know, I

25:31 was with Colin Squadron 38 Miramar Okay, and then I was in seventh crime. Yeah, you know, no. And then that was my second tour when I picked up Sargent. Then my first tour when I was a boot, I

25:45 was a basic electrician. So then I was in the first line, I went to Conneson, second common engineer, battalion. So it went through there. But that's where I got into oil and gas because of the

25:54 electrical and troubleshooting background. And I knew just enough chemistry to slide through into my first job as an analyzer tech in 2005. And then from there, once I started looking around and

26:05 seeing what oil and gas had to offer, then I said, Oh man, the world is my oyster. Yeah, so then there, 18 years later, all that good stuff here, I am. But

26:18 the vista, the perspective, I mean, just gets blown open. Once you get an industry like oil and gas, you see. It's a whole world. You can spend your whole life running around in and never even

26:28 see the edges of it. I know, when I grew up in College Station, never had any exposure to it whatsoever, despite being surrounded by it wells, surrounded by the University and the Virtual

26:36 Engineering Department But yeah, literally, I know it's. And then when I got the Marine Corps, it was, I know I liked you, Jake. Yeah, there was a new something there. Yeah, when I got out,

26:46 it was, yeah, it wasn't. I thought about using this half-ass electrical engineering experience that I had. What rank were you? We got it was Corporal. Okay. Yeah. I had a staff and CO job for

27:01 the last two years that I was in. But everybody deployed. And so we needed one person to run. I ran shipping and receiving for all the parts and stuff that we did Yep. So it was skate. And it was

27:11 existing, right? And it's the supplier. And CLR-17. So I was in, I was at Pendleton. Got a nice, cush little desk. Right. It was, yeah, it was pretty easy. But

27:23 I went to a job fair. And Ocean Earring was there. And they had, they needed a communications tech to run. I'm guessing radio. I don't know if you still do this, right? But maybe it's all

27:33 satellite or Starlink these days but I'm ready to go from land to to the rigs. And they were like, yeah, I started to pay like 80, 000. And I was like, I don't believe in you kidding me? I was

27:45 like, I was like, you really make like no money in them, right? Right. I would be like negative money. When I was a PFC at Lejeune in MOS. School in 1996, I thought if I can just make 500 a

27:54 paycheck, Yeah. I will be set

27:60 for life. But you're, as you grow older and more experienced, your horizons elevate, you get more exposure to what else and what is possible. But you think you go in as a kid and it's like, Oh,

28:08 well, I've got my housing paid for, my food paid for, and this is all just like fun money, whatever. But yeah, there's a reason I didn't re-enlist. Right, but this is, you know, I got out

28:18 after, you know, nine years because I just saw that there was, you know, I was selected for Staff Sergeant of the Blow Zone. So they're okay, that's a brass ring, right? I could, you know,

28:27 slide for the next 11 years, retired to Staff Sergeant, whatever, but I just, something was telling me there was so much more out there, so much more that of the world than I'd already seen,

28:37 which is new at 13, 14 countries. So I just need to go to something else. I don't know what, I didn't know what an analyzer was. I didn't know anything about oil and gas. I knew there was a pump

28:46 jack and an oil refinery. I guess in a gas station, but that's all I knew. And then when I got my first job, I had no idea what a process analyzer was. Now I'm designing and building the top

28:58 level. So that's what I see in these opportunities I get here. To talk to people, I would never have any way of meeting or knowing or getting involved with on a technical or business side. I get

29:09 to meet people like this. And then people say, Hey, this is a really good solution. And then I get to supply new solutions to the industry. And well, I don't know if there's probably more you

29:20 can want in life, but I haven't found it yet. It's the never ending novelty and what else is around the corner, the new whatever, where things just keep improving and coming up and oiling gas

29:33 podcast. Who would have thought that was a thing? five, six years ago. I surely did, that here's the thing. We were like, no one's ever gonna listen to this podcast until they did. And then

29:44 all of a sudden everybody did. And then you're like, what do we do with this thing we built and everybody's beating our door down. Yeah, that's wild, dude. If two jar heads like us can make it,

29:54 there's hope for anybody. That's right, I'll tell you. That's right, that's absolutely right. You know, only a few years ago, I actually stopped wearing my green skivvy shirts. And my wife

30:03 begged me for years not to wear I don't know any, but our shirts that we did for Empower are that same, it's printed on a green. But I'll tell you what I'll never give up is the green hooter shorts.

30:15 And I wear those around the house, my wife, like. The silkies? Yeah, put some ties on. There was a guy,

30:24 I went over to, I was in PA, I went over to Guy's house and a bunch of us were swimming and one of the guys there had like recently got out I still have like his green. which was like swimming in

30:35 them, it was funny. Brumming back in the good old days of putting those on. It was like 20 degrees outside of your room. So you think about it, you and I have both known bullets and then barrels.

30:46 Like my whole adult life has been A post of barrels. Marine Corps and then oil and gas, which is a very traditional career path, right? Yeah. Maybe you look at, you're gonna dial chemical and

30:55 free port Texas. I went over my head for years and all of a sudden hit me like a ton of bricks. All the buildings that have numbers, not street addresses So there'd be 2020 and be whatever, be

31:05 whatever, I'm like building duh, just like a military base. Because after World War II, all the vets got out. GI Bill, college, engineering. Let's just make this to a framework where these -

31:14 And they built all right. Yeah, get it. So they built all these plants, just like they do from the military. And same kind of a thing. So no, it's just an awesome thing to be able to be

31:24 involved in. Whatever side of the industry you come in from, and we just get to do cool stuff all day long. Did you have MCCS when you were in the community stuff?

31:35 MWR. because when I went to bootcamp in '96, I went to bootcamp just before the crucible started. So I was in fact the last platoon to go through the old style that he's seen in Full Metal Jacket.

31:45 And so when I went to bootcamp in '96, it was exactly like Full Metal Jacket, except they couldn't punch in the throat for no reason. The evolution was they had to have a reason first to punch in

31:56 the throat. So that was the only change. If you watch Full Metal Jacket,

32:00 nine years later, exactly the same experience I had when the movie was made. So they had MDBR, things were changed, but

32:10 you get out and the differences aren't that great. Yeah. So I only reason I was saying it was because our new customer success grew crystal, worked for MCCS because her husband's still in the rain,

32:22 so he's recruiting. That's why they came to Hewson in the first place, so that is outstanding.

33:32 Well, if anybody is interested, they want to pilot you guys. They want to have some conversations. Where's the, where's the best place to send them? Business card right there. Okay. Well,

33:40 it's audio. So we're going to. Okay. So the S H controls, S H controls email address, J staying at SH dash controls. Dot com. Okay. So J. S T A N G like Mustang. Cool. Yep. Easy enough way

33:53 works. And then I'll also give my phone number out, throw it out, like that. You're going to have 20, 000 people are going to hear it. I get, I get phone calls all day long Anyway,

34:00 832-260-2211. That's the best way to get ahold of me either by phone or by email and get in touch with me and we'll, you know, see what the best solution looks like and get Gordon as guys involved

34:14 and get one of these babies on your pub check. Just to make some things happen. Make it short, sweet. Guys, I appreciate you all's time. I appreciate you coming in. Yeah, same here. Thank you.

34:21 Yeah, appreciate the opportunity. Absolutely. Guys, if you like the episode, take two seconds. Send this to all your colleagues, send it to your mom, send it to your brothers, your sisters.

34:30 Hope you liked it. We'll catch you guys in a nice episode.